66 comments on “A Brief History between KSC and KWA

  1. You said that quality of KSC’s products worse then KWA’s products. In same time KWA and KSC make products on one factory and collaborate between R&D departmetns. How it can be?

    • Basically KWA is making cheaper lower quality guns for japan and is making high quality guns for the U.S.

  2. Thanks Artem Litvinov for asking, I really appreciate the questions so that I can clarify this article for you and others.

    In the article, I do not think I used “worse” to describe KSC’s product quality in relation to KWA products. I did state that KSC products “have [recently] been turning up internally different (less reinforced, weaker)” in comparison to KWA products. I guess less reinforced can be translated to worse. 😛

    To summarize why some of KSC products are turning up to be less reinforced, and weaker to the KWA products, though they are both manufactured BY KWA are these following reasons:

    1. The KSC products have to meet Japanese laws and requirements which in turn does not require reinforcement for performances past 1J, and neither should encourage it. KWA currently R&D and manufactures KSC products to tailor to the Japanese laws and requirements.

    2. KWA Performance Industry products are tailored toward the US market that does not have the same stringent velocity laws like Japan does. HOWEVER the US market requires GBBR’s to be compliant with Firearm Patents, ATF and US Customs. This causes KWA products to be released much later, but in turn have the latest updates and improvements.

    3. Since the Japan does not have an ATF to immensely restrict the design of the GBBR’s, KSC can release their product line well before KWA does; however KWA improves the design in the 1-2 year time span before its release. The more recent KSC products that KWA R&D’s and manufactures for KSC are, in other words, are older designs. (To what degree can be debated.)

    4. The same reason stated “the KWA LM4 PTR more reliable and robust than its KSC M4 Counterpart. How is this possible? This is possible because, the KSC M4 GBBR and KWA LM4 were both designed and manufactured by KWA,” applies to many recent products shared between KWA and KSC.

    To summarize the 4 points… KWA now does the R&D and the manufacturing for BOTH KWA and KSC products. I avoided to say this straight out because people find this controversial to say, but KSC is essentially becoming a “rebrand” company. Since KSC contributes little to none, to the R&D process in the past year or so, KWA products are more improved because KWA now does the R&D and Manufacturing for both companies.

    KSC chooses to sell the first design that KWA comes up with, as KWA continues on improving their design and having it comply with US laws before releasing KWA’s product line.

    -Greatwatermelon

    • Sorry for the super late reply, I somehow did you see your reply in the updates.

      Pretty much, you are correct. KSC never manufactured, and they do little to no R&D. KSC only sells and service KSC products in Japan, not KWA.

      -Greatwatermelon

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  4. Hello, I thought that Gastron sued KWA for making the G18c and could no longer manufacture it. So how can KSC be selling it if KWA is making it. The largest airsoft dealer in America is selling the KSC G18c full auto gbb. Also I heard that the gas is of a different density in Japan and you shouldn’t even buy the KSC in america. Thank for any enlightment! Or am I OK buying KSC G18c in America if KWA wont make their own version?

    • Tim,

      Factories can produce products, however, can these products be sold is the real question. KWA is not authorized to sell anything Glock related, which means they could no longer produce their M series. Now the KSC G18c is different, because KSC are sold strictly in Japan. Their laws and regulations there are different and are not effected when they sell Glock replicas. The KSC’s found in America are generally lucky pieces that made it through customs. I would not recommend buying any KSC product here in America because either they are fake, or they are not supposed to be here. With that in mind, KWA will not service any KSC product even if it was produced in their factory. This is because it is not a product that they sell or distribute.

  5. This is actually quite incorrect. You can plainly see this if you translate KSC’s very own about pages. That they do manufacture. Here is a direct Japanese to English translation that shows clearly how long they have been around. What their actual company name is/was and what they started manufacturing. KSC Is just a brand name of a product that MGC makes KWA is just a brand name as well but based in Taiwan.

    Here is the actual about statement from KSC

    “Our president joined as an engineer (MGC Association Japan at the time) MGC of the genesis (1962) 1962. Was mainly concerned with the production of press parts (1969) 1969, established “(KSC now) Mfg. island.” Subsequent 26 years until 1994 (1994), though developed as a main subcontractor MGC, to mass production.
    Will be sold in, “Taito” brand mass production “M93R gas blowback” as the first of its design and development Co., Ltd. 100% out of business due to the MGC (1994) 1994. The brand name “KSC” (1995), 1995, manufacturers started working.
    37 years since its inception in 1969 until now (1969), taking advantage of the technical and experience has been making model gun, an air gun, announced a number of new products. Original, aims to “KSC of the world” in making innovative products “cheaper products better” is the motto of all employees KSC, in the future.”

    This pretty much sums it up. I don’t know where you got your information from but it is far from the truth really.

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  35. Still don’t get it….
    So KSC contributed a lot as a R&D Team in old days but they just don’t do anything nowadays
    Why would KWA still let KSC making profit by using KWA products and designs ?
    I mean…KSC did the R&D and KWA manufactured, so they worked together
    Then KWA do both R&D and manufacture, meanwhile, KSC just sit there and don’t do shit
    How is it possbile that KWA still willing to share their own outcome with KSC ???

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